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An issue came up regarding 1E vs 2E class usage for character pages. If a sourcebook that was published before 2E was released (1989) is used to make a character page, then should the character be classed as 1E? Most of the Kara-Tur characters seem to be classed at 2E. See Kanari Taro, which used Swords of the Daimyo, for an example.
The issue here is that characters from Kara-Tur all have oriental classes. Although technically, the characters themselves were published during the 2e era, the oriental classes (with a couple of exceptions) were never updated for 2e. So now we have 2e characters with 1e classes. Personally, I believe that if a character was created in the 2e era, then it should be classed as a 2e character, even if it has a 1e class. We're a no-crunch wiki so those kinds of niggles shouldn't count for much.
That sounds fair to me ... and it would save a ton of editing changing classes and categories on existing pages.
I totally agree (also because me too was saved to do TOO edits he he he)
I made a number of the KT characters, and I was just mistaken about which edition Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms was. I assumed a book labelled "Advanced Dungeons & Dragons" was 2nd edition, but I guess I have to look for the actual "2nd edition" label. My bad.
So, looking at dates and titles, the Kara-Tur sourcebooks, modules, and others are as follows:
- Oriental Adventures, 1985, 1st edition
- OA1: Swords of the Daimyo, 1986, 1st edition
- OA2: Night of the Seven Swords, 1986, 1st edition
- OA3: Ochimo: The Spirit Warrior, 1987, 1st edition
- OA4: Blood of the Yakuza, 1987, 1st edition
- OA5: Mad Monkey vs the Dragon Claw, 1988, 1st edition
- Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms, 1988, 1st edition
- OA6: Ronin Challenge, 1990, 2nd edition
- OA7: Test of the Samurai, 1989, 2nd edition
- FROA1: Ninja Wars, 1990, 2nd edition
- Monstrous Compendium Kara-Tur Appendix, 1990, 2nd edition
- Kara-Tur Trail Map, 1990, 2nd edition (not that it matters)
— BadCatMan (talk) 02:09, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
I understood that ��User:Hashimashadoo said was not necessary change in 1th
Plus technically the Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms NPC can be considered part of the 2th because at was publicized after start of 2th edition
I think you might have misunderstood Hash's statement. He said that characters made within the 2nd-edition era (after 1989) should be marked as "2e", even if the class is a 1st-edition class that wasn't updated to 2nd edition. That doesn't mean characters made in the 1st-edition era (before 1989) should be marked as "2e". (I think Hash also mistakenly assumed that all the Kara-Tur books are from 2nd edition. Hash, correct me if I'm wrong.)
That is, characters made in the 1st-edition era should be marked as "1e", and characters made in the 2nd-edition era should be marked as "2e", whatever the class they have. That's the normal operating procedure.
In any case, the matter wasn't resolved, as I listed the Kara-Tur books and found that most of them were from the 1st-edition era, including the ones we're both working from. We should mark our KT characters as being from "1e".— BadCatMan (talk) 10:40, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Like answered in your page, Bat I believe that about Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms PNC they can be considered 2th, the Swords of the Daimyo PNC were no clear if they MUST be 1th or can be classed 2th. You say right, matter was not totally resolved so until a clear explanation I believe we can use 2th
Ok I not totally agree but my next PNC from Swords of the Daimyo I put in 1th
Naw, I knew that not all of the KT books were 2e (remember the Changchub Zangpo talk page?), I just didn't clarify myself particularly well.
Yep, Changchub Zangpo used a 1E class (Sohei) but the actual character was first presented in a book released during the 2E era (Storm Riders).
Yes, now was clear the position
Okay, I think we're good. I've gone over Category:Inhabitants of Kara-Tur with my bot and checked and updated all the edition marks. This may have left a few empty and uncreated categories, however, which I'll start looking for.
PS: Okay, there don't seem to be any category problems.
— BadCatMan (talk) 13:03, May 6, 2016 (UTC)) 12:56, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
This problem is not exclusive to Kara-Tur. Hall of Heroes, a 2e book, uses 1e class names like "magic-user" instead of wizard.
So to be clear, I'm starting add pages from Mad Monkey vs the Dragon Claw, I MUST use 2th edition categories, correct?
No, 1st edition, 1e, as listed above.
— BadCatMan (talk) 10:41, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
Ok better for me