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Given the latest on 4th edition in the Realms, I think we're going to have to be more specific with our dates. The timeline is being advanced by around a hundred years, so any 1st/2nd/3rd edition information will need to have a date on it. For example, "Alusair Nacacia Obarskyr (the Steel Regent) is the princess and regent of the kingdom of Cormyr" will have to have "as of 1374 DR" added to it, because this is very unlikely to still be true 100 years later. Likewise, any 4th edition information will need to be accompanied by a date (even if it's rough) to distinguish it on the timeline.
Fw190a8 01:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
How come your post is fubared?
Zerak talk 16:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea. I can't find anything wrong with it. If you want to read it, you'll have to go into edit mode. Sorry about that.
20:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
It has something to do with the external link. If you edit the post and remove the link it should show up fine. I tried it and it showed up in the post preview at least. BTW I've tried to implement this in a few places where I could, but it's tricky to insert it into the text without it sticking out like a sore thumb.
Johnnyriot999 21:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we can do a similar thing to the age parameter in the {{Person}} template, where you can specify a year when this information is correct, and the label in bold on the left of the template will say, for example, Leader as of 1375 DR. However, this doesn't solve the problem of how to display two different entries if, for example, the leader changes in 4th edition. Maybe we could display the most recent (ie 4th edition, if available) leader in the template, and give the 3rd edition one(s) in the article text?
Fw190a8 00:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
There is nothing stopping us have two info boxes (with different information about different times)
Hurtzbad 07:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm all for the information boxes having a when the information is current section. I'm been strugling with just when certiain sorce books are current and then when thier information becomes inacurate or needs updating. You take for example The Time of Troubles 1358 DR. In The Savage Frontier (Which is set in 1358 DR), no mention of it. Volo's Guide to the North which is set after 1358 DR but before 1367 DR also mentions naught about it. Another example Nesme, in one source book it's listed as having been captured by a barbarian lord. ALL the other sorce books record it's capture BUT talk about the same barbairian al having a dream of capturing a city of the north. Having a item mentioning when the info is current in the info boxs would be so good. Also would like to see the source books have a Date Current in thier title


eg slade (April 1996). The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier. (1370 DR) TSR, Inc. ISBN 0-7869-0391-0.

or a Short name

eg The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier. (1370 DR) in Cite Book

Hurtzbad 07:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
From what I've seen, the Forgotten Realms won't jump 100 years. More like 10 to 1385 DR when Mystra and Cyric both get killed. After all, we know that there are going to be books published over the next 2 years that are set in 1372 DR still (for the most part at least).
http://tinyurl.com/yo9vc6 (link to wizard made short so it wont FUBAR the forum template). They will jump 100 years, but novels set in c. 1375 will probably be released for a year or two to come.
Zerak talk 19:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
In response to Hurtzbad, The Savage Frontier is a first edition sourcebook. TSR wanted to advanced the timeline in second edition, but for various reasons they were unhappy with a lot of things that had already been written about the realms, so they came up with the Time of Troubles to give them license to mess with things. The Savage Frontier doesn't mention the Time of Troubles because it hadn't been conceived by the designers at the time.

I definitely agree that sometimes it's difficult to discover when certain events took place, but usually it's possible to put a rough period on it, and there are some surprisingly good resources out there, such as the timeline at Forgotten Realms: The Library which is great for novels.

Fw190a8 08:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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