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Just a head's up, there is a new page header coming June 12, 2017 according to this blog post. In short, we will have 4 top-level tabs (like we have now), 7 items under each of those in a drop-down, and 10 links under each of those in a side menu for a total of 280 links.

We are currently using 26 links, so if anybody has wishes or ideas about what we should be presenting to our readers, here is the place and now is the time to do it. That said, research shows (according to Fandom) that a very small percentage of visitors use the navigation bar to get around, mostly first-timers.

Moviesign (talk) 18:57, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the only things I use on that header are "On the Wiki: Wiki Activity", "On the Wiki: Random page", and "Community: Forum". I use the logo to get back to the main page. I use my user icon next to the search bar to get to my user page. I use the "Contribute" button if uploading a file. I use the "Following", "History", and "What links here" links in my toolbar at the bottom of the page. I also rely on my own custom navbar a lot:

That's it for me, mostly. If I were to add new links to the new page header, I would include links to the requests and current clack suggestions.

~ Lhynard (talk) 21:05, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Think of the nav bar as an introduction to the vastness of the Forgotten Realms. I was thinking we could have Geography → Faerûn → Northeast Faerûn/North Faerûn etc. and do the same for Zakhara. We could have links directly to the category system like Items → Food&Drink/Substances/Magic Items etc. The 10 sub-items makes a good division for certain things—we have 9 alignments, 9 compass points (8 plus Interior), 8 schools of magic, 5 to 7 editions, and so on. The last link could be "More..." for those lists that are bigger than 10 (like "other magic traditions" after the basic 8 schools). The new nav system may also support 4th and 5th level menus, but they are not recommended because they are hard to use on mobile devices. We shall see.
Moviesign (talk) 22:26, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

If nobody has any objections, I'd like to add some third-level items to our navigation menu. I made a few small changes but nothing major. Here is the new list for your view and comment. If no one objects, this will go live in a day or three.
* Category:Content portals|Portals
** Portal:Classes|Classes
*** Category:Classes by edition|Classes by edition
*** Category:NPC classes|NPC classes
*** Category:Prestige classes|Prestige classes
*** Category:Paragon paths|Paragon paths
*** Category:Kits|Kits
** Portal:Deities|Deities
*** Category:Deities by alignment|Deities by alignment
*** Category:Deities by race|Deities by race
*** Category:Deities by homeplane|Deities by homeplane
*** Category:Deities by domain|Deities by domain
** Portal:Geography|Geography
*** Category:Maps|Maps
*** Faerûn
*** Kara-Tur
*** Maztica
*** Zakhara
*** Returned Abeir
** Portal:History|History
*** Days of Thunder
*** Dawn Age
*** First Flowering
*** Crown Wars
*** The Founding Time
*** Age of Humanity
*** Era of Upheaval
*** Second Sundering
*** Marking the Years
** Portal:Magic|Magic
*** Category:Magic items|Items
*** Category:Spells|Spells
*** Category:Schools of magic|Schools
*** Category:Substances|Substances
*** Category:Powers|Powers
*** Category:Energies|Energies
*** Category:Rituals|Rituals
*** Category:Artifacts|Artifacts
** Portal:Novels|Novels
*** List of novels in alphabetical order|by title
*** List of novels by author|by author
*** List of novel series|by series
*** List of novels in order of publication|by year
*** List of novels in chronological order|by Realm year
** Portal:Sourcebooks|Sourcebooks
*** Category:1st edition sourcebooks|1st edition
*** Category:2nd edition sourcebooks|2nd edition
*** Category:3rd edition sourcebooks|3rd edition
*** Category:3.5 edition sourcebooks|3.5 edition
*** Category:4th edition sourcebooks|4th edition
*** Category:5th edition sourcebooks|5th edition
*** List of sourcebooks in order of publication|by year
*** List of sourcebooks in chronological order|by Realm year
* Special:WikiActivity|Activity
** Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes
** Blog:Recent_posts|Recent blog posts
** Special:NewPages|New pages
** Forgotten Realms Wiki:Requests|Requests
** Category:Featured articles|Featured articles
** Special:Insights/popularpages|Popular pages
** Special:Categories|Browse categories
* Help:Contents|Help
** Help:Policies and guidelines|Policies
** Help:Creating articles|Creating
** Help:Editing articles|Editing
** Help:Templates|Templates
** Help:Categories|Categories
* Special:Community|Community
** Forum:Index|Forum
** Special:Listusers/sysop|Admins
** w:c:de.faerun|Faerûnpedia (in German)
** w:c:fi.forgottenrealms|Forgotten Realms (Finnish)
** w:c:gaming|Wikia Gaming hub
Moviesign (talk) 02:03, June 14, 2017 (UTC)

::thumbs up::
~ Lhynard (talk) 04:55, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

Good work. Since I use Monobook, I don't even see these normally, but I tidied them a little in the past. It's good to see them get proper development.

It makes the sidebar on the Main Page rather redundant, as it also offers similar links to portals and such. But Wikia's page design means we need some form of sidebar, and it's still required in Monobook, at least not without radical redesign.

We'd probably need Video Games and Comics links and portals along Novels and Sourcebooks. But that's a matter for general development, not these page headers.
— BadCatMan (talk) 06:00, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of combining the Activity and Community main headings into one so that I could have a second main heading to put things like Comics, Cards, Video Games, etc. up there. That would be a major change and not done without approval and consensus. Other wikis take over the entire thing, which we could do since we have so much content, but I'm fine with the way it is. Speak up if you have other ideas.

As for the redundancy, I think that's okay because different people access the site in different ways.

Moviesign (talk) 13:50, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

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