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Contradiction Edit

Contradiction: at the beginning Mystryl's alignment is noted as LN, further in text it's CN.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.172.28.236 (talkcontribs)

Mystryl is in fact CN, but Mystra (the first incarnation) is LN, and Midnight/Mystra (the second incarnation) is NG.  SkyeNiTessine (talk · contr) 22:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but isn't the circle of stars and crimson mist specifically the symbol of the second Mystra? Representing the new constelation that appeared when she gained her godhood.


Yes, the first Mystra's symbol was simply a blue white star. (Bloodtide 02:03, June 25, 2011 (UTC))

The picture of the symbol shows an eight pointed star, I think it should be seven pointed, or am I wrong? 212.8.130.191 11:19, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Various sources describe it differently. I'll be able to be more specific when I get home to my books. The 8-pointed star shown in the article is a rendering of the symbol shown in Jeff Grubb, Ed Greenwood and Karen S. Martin (1987). Forgotten Realms Campaign Set (Cyclopedia of the Realms). (TSR, Inc). ISBN 0-8803-8472-7.
which is one of the first mentions of this Mystra (the one before Midnight).—Moviesign (talk) 15:42, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Evolution of Mystra's SymbolEdit

Here's everything I have on the various symbols of the Goddess of Magic:

  • Mystryl
    • "A single blue-white star"[1]
    • No official-looking graphical representations.
  • Mystra
    • "A blue-white star"[2]
    • The graphical representation used in this article: an 8-pointed star in union with a circle crossing each point.[3]
    • "A blue-white star before the coming of the Avatars"[4]
  • Mystra (Midnight)
    • "A circle of stars in a ring, with a red mist rising towards (or flowing from) the center."[4]
    • Graphic of eight 5-pointed stars in a circle with mist reaching the center of the circle.[4][5][6]
    • "A circle of nine stars, with a red mist rising toward (or flowing from) its center or a circle of seven blue-white stars, or (older) a single blue-white star."[6] Note the contradiction: "circle of nine" or "circle of seven" stars when the graphic clearly shows eight.
    • "Circle of seven blue-white stars with red mist flowing from the center"[7]
    • Graphic showing seven of the 8-pointed star-circles described above for Mystra, arranged unsymmetrically in a circle with three on each side and one brighter star at the top. The red mist reaches all the way up to the top star (i.e., not flowing from the center as the text describes).[7]

Sorry, no 7-pointed star that I can find. —Moviesign (talk) 01:48, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Mystra's Current StatusEdit

What is Mystra's current status as a deity? She certainly isn't truly dead because Elminster spoke with her in Cormyr. It seems Mystra's power is similar to that of an Exarch but the only recent sources on Mystra are from Ed Greenwood's novels which tend to be vague.
Boo Too - "Go for the eyes!" 22:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

This mystra is dead as far as I can tell. Midnight may not be. —Moviesign (talk) 19:39, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
I can't in this wiki any reference to Mystra from the books of the Empyrean Odyssey trilogy (where she was slain). What is the connection to the F.R. world and other books? Can someone more knowledgeable then me update the reference? (AH)
For starters, you are looking at the wrong Mystra. You want the Mystra (Midnight) article where it briefly discusses her death and subsequent resurrection. If you have more to add, please do. You can also expand on the plot synopsis in any of the articles dealing with the The Empyrean Odyssey trilogy. Enjoy! —Moviesign (talk) 01:16, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Novels vs. AdventuresEdit

Most of the later history of Mystra in this artcle is based on Shadowdale (adventure) and not Shadowdale (novel). I don't know what the differences are between the two stories because I don't own the novels, but they at least arrive at the same conclusion. Anyone care to comment on how this article reads and how it presents the story relative to the novels? Feel free to add "alternate history" to this article if you feel it's necessary. For this same reason, I'm not sure how well I can fix up the Midnight page when it comes to novel vs. adventure sources. —Moviesign (talk) 19:39, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't checked out the adventure, but as I recall, the article pretty much describes the events of the novel. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:29, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Comments for Featured Article statusEdit

Here is some critique regarding this article's nomination for featured article-hood.

There's a fair bit more to say about her history, naturally. Mystra appears heavily in Elminster: The Making of a Mage, with her in human guise and as a goddess, and her close relationship with Elminster, and probably in some early other Greenwood novels.

Some of the dot-pointed history could be expanded, with more of what appeared in Relationships (repeated to some degree). The bit about the temple in Waterdeep in 1215 DR doesn't seem necessary to the Mystra article, and more suited to church of Mystra. I think the pre-Troubles line would fit better amongst the following ToT history.

The portraits in the Gallery don't seem too relevant to Mystra. Midnight, maybe, but not the rest. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:29, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured DW was being too generous when he suggested this might be a featured article. So this is about as far as I can take it with the sources I have available. Perhaps someone will pick it up from here and run with it. I doubt I can give Midnight a thorough treatment for the same reason. —Moviesign (talk) 16:35, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Good Article statusEdit

Correct: yes

Referenced: yes

Formatted: yes

Clean: yes

Nearly complete: yes

Policy-adherent/Demonstrative: yes

ReferencesEdit

  1. slade, James Butler (November 1996). Netheril: Empire of Magic (The Winds of Netheril). (TSR, Inc.), p. 49. ISBN 0-7869-0437-2.
  2. Jeff Grubb, Ed Greenwood and Karen S. Martin (1987). Forgotten Realms Campaign Set (Cyclopedia of the Realms). (TSR, Inc), p. 13. ISBN 0-8803-8472-7.
  3. Jeff Grubb, Ed Greenwood and Karen S. Martin (1987). Forgotten Realms Campaign Set (Cyclopedia of the Realms). (TSR, Inc), p. 14. ISBN 0-8803-8472-7.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Ed Greenwood, Julia Martin, Jeff Grubb (1993). Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 2nd edition (revised), Running the Realms. (TSR, Inc), p. 47. ISBN 1-5607-6617-4.
  5. Jeff Grubb and Ed Greenwood (1990). Forgotten Realms Adventures. (TSR, Inc), p. 27. ISBN 0-8803-8828-5.
  6. 6.0 6.1 Julia Martin, Eric L. Boyd (March 1996). Faiths & Avatars. (TSR, Inc), p. 128. ISBN 978-0786903849.
  7. 7.0 7.1 Eric L. Boyd, Erik Mona (May 2002). Faiths and Pantheons. (Wizards of the Coast), p. 50. ISBN 0-7869-2759-3.

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